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On the topic of Morels:
Morels in the Central VT Area, Thu, 08 Apr 2004
Hi, have enjoyed your very informative site on one of my great passions. I do have a
couple of quick questions for you and would love it if you could find the time to
respond.
1) I have never heard of the smaller "grey" morels as being toxic. I've eaten
them for years and have found them to be better tasting than the bigger
"yellows". On your site, you warn that may cause an upset stomach, etc. Have I
been wrong in eating the greys all these years? Or did I misread?
2) I grew up in Minnesota and had a lot of success with various repeat spots. Since, I
have moved to South FLA. I always miss the hunt in the spring. This year, a good friend of
mine wants me to visit him in New Haven, VT in mid-May. I have been trying to find out if
morels grow as they do in the midwest in that area. That would seem to be the right time
for that north of a climate. I always started looking "when the lilacs bloom",
and with that latitude, mid May would seem perfect.
Any ideas?
Thanks for your time, Eric
Glad to hear from you Eric.
Small "grey" morels - as long as they are
true morels are fantastic edibles. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they were not
so I went back to my main article on morels and made
a few additions regarding color: "Don't be misled by the common names of these
mushrooms referring to colors, particularly Morchella esculenta, the "Yellow"
morel. It appears in a wide variety of colors, from light gray to dark gray, light tan to
golden brown, pale yellow to yellow to dark brown. The shape of the cap can vary as well,
from tall slender and pointed to short squat and round. Some mycologists argue that there
are different species or sub-species in this group but if you find a mushroom in the
Spring with a honey combed, pitted cap you have a pretty sure indicator that you have a
morel, whatever the taxonomic name is."
Perhaps your "grey" morel
reference is to what I call the "Early Morels," mushrooms from the genera Gyromitra, Verpa and
Helvella, which may contain traces of the toxic compounds known as hydrazines.
We have some great field guides available in the bookstore if you want to learn more. As
always with wild mushrooms, when in doubt throw them out!!!!
I think your premise about Vermont morels in mid-May is probably well
founded. Any Vermonters out there want to coment? Best of luck up there and let us know
how you do.
Happy hunting,
Roy Reehil
Dear Forager,
I was pleased to come across your internet article on morels. It was most informative as I've
discovered a few in a wooded area at my home. The specimens in my yard
have just popped up and are no more than two inches tall. Should I wait a while to see if
they get larger before harvesting? Also, should I not disturb them this year in the
hopes that they'll produce more in coming years? Thanks for your response.
Steven, Neillsville, Wisconsin USA
Steven,
Thanks for writing. I'm glad you enjoyed the article.
I am also lucky to have morels appear in my yard occasionally and one year I was able to
empirically test out how long they grow and how big they get. I watched and watered it
like a house plant. It got to be about a foot high and grew for almost two weeks before it
started to show signs of old age. The big morel my friend Bill is holding in this picture
is the very mushroom. So, I would say as long as they don't look like they're
getting buggy - grow them. The main fungal mass is underground and perennial (the mushroom
is a reproductive device to disperse spores) so, picking the mushrooms won't hurt at all.
The mushrooms may be an indication that one of the trees nearby is dead or dying. Grow the
mushrooms - pick and eat when ready, unless you use weed killer or pesticides in the area.
You are lucky!
All the best
Roy Reehil
Thanks for the reply. I'll tend to my few little morels another week
before the harvest.
All the best,
Steven
From: Paloma
We have suddenly started sprouting what appear to
be morels in a shaded lawn area under a very old apple tree in our suburban yard.
(Evanston, IL just north of Chicago) They range in size from approximately 6 inches
tall(cap and stem to the ground) X 2.5 inches in diameter and are a light tan color on the
outer cap. I have three questions:
1) These look exactly like the photos of morels I have seen and if they
are morels I would love to eat them, but are there any distinguishing characteristics
which would warn me not to eat them. If they are morels, at what size should they be
cultivated?
First, identify them ABSOLUTELY. Be completely
comfortable with your identification or talk to someone who knows for sure. Second, do you
use any chemicals on your lawn and do you want to consume concentrations of them? After
you answer those questions you'll know what to do. Picking them depends on the weather,
bugs, etc. Pick them when it seems right. You can water them.
2) Are they likely to return next year? or can I cultivate them in any
way?
Maybe yes, maybe no. The real question is
"will they fruit next year?" they'll still be underground, mushrooms above or
not. You can try to make them fruit but my suggestions are a little dramatic (at least for
the neighbors.) Stress the tree, burn the tree, chop it down, and/or dig big, deep holes
in your lawn then fill them back up (and I'm not kidding.)
3) Does this indicate that my apple tree is dying?
It could be an indicator. Look at the tree...
I hope this helps! Learn your morels, and now you have a reason not to use chemicals on
your lawn. You'll save money too!
Roy
Here's Dave Fischer's response to the same questions (much more
scientific I might add.)
1) These look exactly like the photos of morels I have seen and if they
are
morels I would love to eat them, but are there any distinguishing
characteristics which would warn me not to eat them. If they are morels, at
what size should they be cultivated?
For information on proper identification,
see the treatment on these springtime delicacies from "Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America: A Field-to-Kitchen
Guide"... Pay particular attention to the "Similar Species"
section. Presuming that you mean "collected" or "picked" rather than
"cultivated," that's a toughie. If they are (a) less than 2" tall and you
can get back there within one week or (b) less than 1" tall and you can get back
there within 2 weeks, I would advise you to let them grow---provided the forecast is
reasonable, and that they appear in good condition. At my more accessible morel patches, I
have watched morels grow over a period of two weeks from "infants" half an inch
tall to giants over a foot in height.
2) Are they likely to return next year? or can I cultivate them in any
way?
Morels *usually* return to the same place
for several years in succession. Cultivating morels is a tricky business. For more
information, I recommend you contact Paul Stamets' Fungi Perfecti: http://www.fungi.com
3) Does this indicate that my apple tree is dying?
Probably. The prevailing opinion is that
the morel mycelium is mycorrhizal with various trees; when those trees begin dying, the
stress triggers the mycelium to produce morels to produce spores to perpetuate the genetic
lineage.
--Dave Fischer
Hi Roy,
My husband and I are "newbees" when it comes to shrooming. We took our 4 teens
camping last summer, while the 2 girls were interested in wildflowers and birds, I needed
to be creative with the guys. That is when I decided to interest them in finding different
kinds of mushrooms.
In doing so, my husband and I have become fascinated with them. Reading books like crazy.
This year is our first for really searching for morels.We actually found 11 small blacks
in northern jersey while hiking. My reason for writing is that your site was the only one
I could
find fairly close to NJ. I was hoping the forum would let people like me know if
anyone is finding morels in the mid atlantic region yet, or even if you can find them in
this area... central jersey.
Just wanted to know.
Christine
Christine
Thanks for the note.
They are there, Morels in Central Jersey that is... just don't expect anyone to tell you
where. That's the fun/hard part.
Usually 1-2 weeks after black morels - (Black Morel pictured
above)
Here's an inquiry with an unhappy ending!
Hiya Laura!
you wrote:
Yes, I went out cruising for morels and found two hotspots - one of them was by a railroad
track and the interesting thing was that the morels were growing out of (i.e. in between)
VERY LARGE pieces of gravel - I took some photos, it's pretty amazing - no dirt to be seen
for yards, just a floor of rocks.
LAURA: you don't want to hear this, but,
impossible as this may seem... DO NOT EAT THOSE RAILROAD-TRACK MORELS. Railroad
rights-of-way, like power line ROWs, are typically kept clear of vegetation with the aid
of liberal doses of inorganic chemical herbicides. On top of that, who knows what leaks in
"moderate" amounts from all those liquid chemical tanks whose occasional
derailments force evacuations. I can only repeat, DO NOT EAT THOSE RAILROAD-TRACK MORELS.
I beg you. Read "Edible Wild Mushrooms of North
America," chapter 4 (p. 17), "The Mycophagist's Ten Commandments,"
#6...
"Don't pick mushrooms from contaminated
habitats. These include polluted areas, chemically treated lawns, ornamental trees, and
places close to highways, lanfills, toxic waste sites, crop fields, power lines,
railroads, buildings, industrial areas, or firebreaks. Contaminants may accumulate in wild
mushrooms."
Cheers! --Dave
To: Xerula (AKA Dave Fischer)
damndamndamn - this RR track thing. You see, I have mixed ALL of my
morels from the past few days together. There are SOME I might be able to tell are from
the RR tracks, but.......tell me more. What exactly do they use on the side of the tracks?
Don't you think the heavy gravel is the method they use to precent vegetative growth? Is
it the same as a pesticide, or something much more intense? What's the worst that could
happen? There were houses all along the tracks as well (well, across the road, perhaps 100
feet away). Would they still use these chemicals? I did notice the RR track morels were
grayer than the ones I picked earlier in the woods. I REALLY would like to not have to
throw out ALL of my findings! Thanks for the advice though - i sure learned a lesson....
Laura
P.S. These were growing anywhere from 8 feet to 20 feet from the tracks - some in the
gravel, some on the grassy/weedy/dead elmy embankment.
To: Laura
I don't know exactly what they use on the RR
tracks, except that they are naughty inorganic chemical herbicides. Comparing herbicides
to pesticides is a moot point... it depends on the specific chemical agents involved. And
yes, the railroads use the heavy gravel for several reasons, including erosion prevention
and inhibition of growth of plants, but they also routinely use plenty of herbicides, for
it is economically impossible to have people "weeding" along railroad tracks and
relatively inexpensive to send through an herbicide-misting car. And no, nearby houses do
*not* stop them from using herbicides; the houses are never close enough to justify that.
An interesting thing is that the morels are probably there in large part *because* of the
pesticides... morels grow from the roots of dead trees and other plants (e.g. dead/dying
apple trees, elm trees, etc.
The worst that could happen, Laura, is that you could become hypersensitive
("allergic") to a whole range of chemicals (chemical hypersensitivity
syndrome---you know, like those people who are affected by common everyday chemicals such
as synthetic fibers in clothes, carpets, upholstery etc. NOT a pretty picture, and an
immediate reaction severe enough to be life-threatening is not impossible. A
"better-case-scenario" could be a mere rash, nausea, headaches etc. READ THE
FOURTH PARAGRAPH ON P. 144 of "Edible Wild Mushrooms
of North America"...
"Scientific research has produced evidence
that mushrooms concentrate heavy metals present in rain, air and soil as environmental
contaminants."
IN FACT, some fungi are actually now being used to
decontaminate areas such as abandoned copper strip mines.
Laura, I know this is awful news, and I *hate* to be the bearer of it... on the other
hand, I am glad I got to you before you ate them! I am VERY sorry you mixed the railroad
morels with the others... all I can say is, "If in doubt, throw it out!" And
even 20 feet away from the tracks is *not*, in my qualified opinion, far enough away.
Poor poor Laura! Well... like you said... consider this a lesson learned. Study those 10
commandments! (I hate to sound like a preacher!)
--Dave
Morel Links:
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False Morels
From: Louis, May 8
On May 7 I found three False Morels---specifically, Gyromitra esculenta---growing on very
sandy soil near pines and white birch. This was in Schenectady.
1) Based on this, about how long until the first morels appear in my
area?
2) Are Black Morels commonly found in the same habitats as Gyromitra
esculenta?
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Louis,
Good questions. I've kept track of the dates that I've found Gyromitra
esculenta and Black Morels for the last three years... I was just waiting for you to ask
this! If the weather remains damp Half-free morels (Morchella semilibera) should
be popping up now with black morels (Morchella elata). Yellow morels (Morchella
esculenta) will generally be 5-15 days behind. Hope it stays warm and wet! G.
esculenta is a timing indicator yes... but as a location indicator, I'm less sure.
The sandy soil sounds good but the trees don't. Look for hillsides nearby... with old
apples, elms, poplars, ash trees, and cottonwoods.
Happy Hunting!
Roy
On the subject of Gyromitra, Verpa and other "Early Morels"
Anyone finding any Verpas yet? Verpa Bohemica should be coming
up in Seattle in about 2 weeks, so they must be coming up somewhere by now.
I do not eat this mushroom, and my wife has renamed them "acher makers"
in honor of the stomach ache they gave her, and has changed their scientific name to Verpa
Yucky. However, I need some slides of this wrinkled fungus, so I shall be hunting them
this year.
-Jim , BFD
Rich wrote:
I live in Northcentral Washington state, and have collected "Early
Morels" ("Verpa's"), the "Edible Morel" (Morchella esculenta's),
and the "Narrow-capped Morel" (Morchella augusticeps), for years and
years...with my parents and brothers and sister. I have a book called: "The Savory
Wild Mushroom" by Margaret McKenny copyrighted 1962, that refers to most of the
edible mushrooms of this area. The other day at work, a coworker and I were talking about
gathering morels, and she mentioned being told by another source, to be careful not to get
any "False Morels" mixed in with her collection, because they were deadly
poison, and looked very mush like the "good" ones. Well, I commented that I have
never heard of a "poisonous morel" or a correctly-identified "False
morel". BTW, our family has ate these morels for years, as I stated, with no ill
effects...love them.. Are there any of these "poisonous morels, or false morels"
anywhere to be found? If so are there any good "Color Photos" of them on the web
or any books on such?
Thank You...
-=Rich=-
Wenatchee, Wa.
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My response to Rich,
The "early
Morels" you describe other then any in the genus Morchella are mushrooms of
the genus Verpa and Gyromitra. Though you and your family have eaten
some of these mushrooms for many years without incident, you may want to reconsider future
consumption.
In older texts Verpa bohemica and V. conica are listed as edible. Newer
texts however list Verpa bohemica (the Wrinkled Thimble Cap) as poisonous and
best avoided. Symptoms include severe stomach cramps and a loss of muscle coordination.
The other so-called "early Morels" are of the genus Gyromitra. Gyromitra
esculenta (pictured right) and G. infula
contain the toxin Gyromitrin, AKA: monomethylhydrazine. Other related species including G.
gigas, G. korfii and the genera Verpa and Helvella may also contain
traces of hydrazines.
Believe it or not monomethylhydrazine is a key component of rocket fuel. Eating mushrooms
containing hydrazines raw has caused many documented fatalities (mostly in Europe.)
Cooking and/or drying can remove the volatile Gyromitrin poison, hence people have eaten
these mushrooms for years with no ill effects.
BUT... cooking Gyromitra esculenta can release enough toxin into the air that
sampling the aroma of your saut pan can also lead to severe poisoning or even death.
BEST BET WITH GYROMITRA, VERPA AND HELVELLA:
Don't bother with any of them!
Cooking may not remove all of the toxin and this could result in liver damage over a
period of years.
Your identification of Morchella augusticeps leads me to believe that any field
guides you may have are out of date. To be safe, get some newer field guides on American
mushrooms (see note below.) Then, get to know all of these easy to identify spring fungi.
In the future you may want to stick to the genus Morchella (the "real
Morels"!) ...very safe, and very delicious.
Happy hunting and stay healthy!
Notes:
I recommend Mushrooms Demystified - by David
Arora or The Audubon
Society field guide to North American Mushrooms for color plates of all above
listed species. There are photos of Gyromitra esculenta on the Morel Page on this site.
From: Lisa May 3rd
Yesterday my friend and
I found a ton of what we thought were morels, although I did not think they looked quite
like the ones I had found last year. My friend asked someone who said they were called
"caps" and that her family ate them although one son had gotten ill. Well while
he was in the process of cooking them up, I got online for more information. I discovered
that what we picked were Verpa bohemica (pictured right) or Early Morels. So I started printing the information all the while
worrying that my friend was dead. I called him as soon as I got off line just as he was
sitting down to a plate of sauted mushrooms. I convinced him not to eat them. So, did I
save his life? I told him that he owes me big time!!! Just exactly what would happen to a
person who consumed this species????
Thanks,
Lisa
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Good Job Lisa!
Your friend might have enjoyed a delicious meal
but, if he was allergic to the toxins in those mushrooms it might have been his last.
Chances are though, that you simply saved him from a nasty upset stomach. In any case you
did the right thing.
Did you save his life? Maybe...
Does he owe you big time? Absolutely!
I had an old friend who when asked "how can I repay you?" always responded that
"money will do!"
Other old wisdom: The mycophagist's credo should always be strictly adhered to...
when in doubt, throw it out!
From: Chan
Found black morels on Easter weekend, earliest I have found them in over
6 yrs. of hunting. We here are avid hunters in the woods of S.W. Pa., and we usually have
a good season. Most of what we find are under poplar, apple, and wild cherry but some have
been found under pine. From now to end of May we will be "shrooming" to our
hearts content. My buddy Stu sez it's a pressure thing, the way they grow, that they get
as big as they're going to in a very short time and that a small one if left alone will
not become larger with time, and indeed will probably rot, get picked by someone else, or
get eaten by a wild turkey if left alone. Anyone with any thoughts on this?
Closing thoughts:
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE !!! and nowhere.
Try saying " WHOOP!" when you find one. It helps.
Sometimes you have to get real "small" to find 'em.
Sulfur shelf or Chicken
Mushroom
From: Jia Li
Several months ago, my sister suddenly became enthusiastic about wild
mushroom hunting. She told me that many of her friends from Europe hunted mushrooms
regularly and that she often joined them. So on a regular fall day we scoured the forest
floor in a park near my house for chanterelles. Instead of finding chanterelles, we came
upon two beautiful mushrooms. A giant orange mushroom with yellow frilled petals lay at
the foot of a decaying tree while a much smaller white spotted yellow mushroom grew a few
feet away. Even though we suspected the orange mushroom of being a chicken mushroom we did
not harvest it since my sister and I were both inexperienced in identifying mushrooms. As
for the yellow mushroom, it looked too pretty to be edible. When we visited a book shop
later that day, amazingly an identical photograph of the chicken mushroom was on the cover
of Petersons Field Guide. Then we read that it was categorized as choice for edibility.
The other mushroom, hoever, was in the amanita family. I'm glad we didn't touch that one.
So we ran back to the woods and harvested the chicken mushroom which turned out to be two
feet in diameter and about four pounds! My sister brought it to her workplace where there
were many mushroom enthusiasts. Someone cooked it at they all ate it the next day. I asked
them how it tasted. The unanimous response was, "Chicken!" That's what sparked
my interest and ever since, I've been noting all the mushrooms that are in my park.
On Boletes
From Jayne
I find edible boletes (which I don't eat) with slugs and insect
infestation. I almost never find them in good condition. Any suggestions (location is
Adirondacks) or is this just not-good luck with boletes.
Thank you , Jayne.
Hi Jayne,
Obviously the
bugs and slugs are mushroom hunters too! When the weather is warm it's all about
serendipity... meaning finding the mushrooms right when they pop. My best advice is to
keep looking,
esecially after a couple of cold nights in a row or the first fall frosts. Boletes that
are popping during the cold spell will often be totally free of infestations because the
cold kills or slows the bugs down. The best collections of King Boletes (Boletus edulis)
have been right after frosts or near frosts - and right about this time of year (Mid
Sept.) I never worry about slugs because they're on the outside and
I just remove them.
Happy Hunting!
From: Sid Lanier
Some of the best tasting mushrooms I have ever had came in a little
package labeled Dried Yellow Boletus. They were actually very yellow, unlike the usual
dried porcini. They had a wonderful aroma, and were unexcelled in a risotto or a sauce for
steak, etc. My question is: Does anyone know which boletus species this "yellow
boletus" of commerce might be? I found them several years ago in a gourmet food
store, but have not seen them recently. They were packaged by Urbani? or
Ubena?...something like that. If I knew the species I could pick my own, and dry them.
Thanks.
Sid,
Sounds like Boletus ornatipes. Look it up in a field guide. It's usually listed
as good but not choice as some specimens can be bitter, but perhaps that's what you like!
I've had them and they're Okay fresh. I never dried any.
Good luck
Roy
Stinkhorns
From Joelle,
I need some help please regarding some mushrooms that are growing in my
front yard. The mushrooms are extremely smelly. The very site of them makes my neighbors
and I want to throw up. I also think they are causing my husbands headaches. The mushrooms
are shaped like (and this is the only way to describe them) penis's. They are even pushing
through the pavement . Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Joelle
Hi Joelle
You have a batch of Stink Horns. They won't last long but smell awfull while they're
around. You could chop them off with a shovel and bury them if they really bug you. Most
of the smell is at the sticky top of the mushroom. Clothspins might work too!
Good luck!
General Mushrooming
Hi.
I am going to work in US for several years, and I know that I'll miss my hobby of mushroom
collecting.
Do you have any information if North-American mushrooms are similar to European?
(Russian). I think that in New England area this should be the case, since its climate is
much similar to Moscow region.
Do you now any good particular place there, where I can confirm my observation?
Sincerely,
Davran.
Davran,
There are tons of mushrooms in the Northeast forests and little competition. Mushrooming
is not nearly as popular here as it is at home
for you. Having said that, your best bet for finding SAFE U.S. EDIBLES is to hook up with
a mushroom club in the area that you'll be staying.
Here's a list:
http://www.mykoweb.com/na_mycos.html
Otherwise get a good field guide. The mushrooms you picked at home could have dangerous
look alikes here.
Stay healthy, when in doubt, throw it out!
Good luck,
Roy.
From: Vladimir Jaffe
I used to be an avid mushroom hunter since I was about 10 years old when
I was living behind the Iron Curtain near Moscow.
Ever since I emigrated to the United States some 8 years ago I never had
a chance to exercise my lifelong obsession with mushroom picking.
Could anyone advise where mushrooms, especially Boletus Edulis, could be
found in large enough quantities anywhere within a 2-3 hour drive from New York City?
I will greatly appreciate any advise.
Sincerely,
Vlad
Vlad,
I've had good luck finding Boletus edulis (AKA:
Porcini or Cep) in groves of Norway Spruce anytime from late July to October.
Also, there are several NYC area mycological societies and mushroom clubs (courtesy of
Myko Web):
Long Island Mycological Club
34 Heights Road
Northport, NY 11768
Mid Hudson Mycological Association
1846 Route 32
Modena, NY 12548
New York Mycological Society
140 West 13th Street
New York, NY 10011
New Jersey Mycological Association
19 Oak Avenue
Denville, NJ 07834
What do you think out there? Can anybody from the
NY area help Vlad? Send email so we don't let that concrete jungle keep Vlad from his
lifelong obsession!
From: Ken Leonard
I'm interested in a nutritional component breakdown for various kinds of
mushrooms, both wild and cultivated.
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From Alan Bessette and David Fischer's "Edible Mushrooms of North America" (pg. 4):
"The common cultivated button mushroom has only 30 calories per 100 grams, mostly in
the form of protein!" "...fats and carbohydrate levels are negligible, and they
contain no cholesterol." "Almost no information is available on the nutritional
value of various kinds of wild mushrooms. We can only presume that there is some variation
from species to species. As a rule, though, mushrooms are composed of about 90% water.
They contribute some protein; B, C and D vitamins; and several minerals.
I know it's not much but that's all I have.
Anybody out there have more info?

John's Picture
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I am having a terrible time finding a
reference to this mushroom, photo enclosed, an Oyster? I found 40lbs growing on a group of
dead Jack pines? Please help, location Southcentral Wisconsin
Thanks,
John
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John,
Looks like you have Polyporous squamosus,
the "Pheasant's Back" AKA Dryad's saddle.It's on page 123 of Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America. It
should have a white pore surface on the bottom and when you break a piece off it should
have a faint odor of watermellon.
Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America is a
great book for this type of identification. Comprehensive but not overly scientific with
recipes at the end.
You can check it out here: http://theforagerpress.com/bookstore/emona.htm
I forgot to mention. Although the mushroom is edible, you should not go by my visual only
ID. Find a local eyewitness expert before ever consuming!!!!!!! If there's any doubt--
throw it out.
Hope that helps. Best of luck
-Roy
Happy Hunting!
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